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LadyVictoria
Baroness of the Manor Joined: 05 Mar 2007 Posts: 648 Location: Goshen, NY	Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 8:05 pm    Post subject:   Was thinking about this while doing some research this afternoon.... Most higher peers have several titles... in my case, my heroes father is Marquis Stanton, Earl of Huntsbridge, Viscount Westmont. When the eldest son died, my hero became the fourth Earl of Huntsbridge. Period. What happens when his father dies? Does he then become Marquis Stanton, Earl of Huntsbridge, Viscount Westmont? And does his next younger brother then become the fifth Earl of Huntsbridge?? I've read several of the peerage books and none of this makes much sense once it gets this complicated. I just want to make sure I am doing it correctly as my heroes father is eldery and sickly and will die in a subsequent book when I write about the brother... _________________ ___________________ Live up to your potential instead of imitating someone else's. ~ Martha Burgess
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Candice
Queen of the Board Joined: 14 Sep 2006 Posts: 2731 Location: Minneapolis, MN	Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 10:01 pm    Post subject:   LadyVictoria wrote: Was thinking about this while doing some research this afternoon.... Most higher peers have several titles... in my case, my heroes father is Marquis Stanton, Earl of Huntsbridge, Viscount Westmont. When the eldest son died, my hero became the fourth Earl of Huntsbridge. Period. What happens when his father dies? Does he then become Marquis Stanton, Earl of Huntsbridge, Viscount Westmont? Yes, as the new peer, he now holds all the titles. LadyVictoria wrote: And does his next younger brother then become the fifth Earl of Huntsbridge?? No. Only eldest sons, ie heirs apparent, are granted courtesy titles. The brother would be styled Lord Firstname, by right as the son of a duke, but he can never be more than an heir presumptive (because his brother the duke could sire a son who would then become heir apparent). _________________
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LadyVictoria
Baroness of the Manor Joined: 05 Mar 2007 Posts: 648 Location: Goshen, NY	Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 10:05 pm    Post subject:   OK, now I get it and it makes much more sense. Thanks a million, Candice. _________________ ___________________ Live up to your potential instead of imitating someone else's. ~ Martha Burgess
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KalenHughes
Viscountess of the Manor Joined: 20 Sep 2006 Posts: 1100	Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 8:18 am    Post subject:   LadyVictoria wrote: When the eldest son died, my hero became the fourth Earl of Huntsbridge. Period. What happens when his father dies? Does he then become Marquis Stanton, Earl of Huntsbridge, Viscount Westmont? And does his next younger brother then become the fifth Earl of Huntsbridge?? Now I have a question. I didn't think that courtesy titles carried a "number" title designation. As in, I don't think the heirs are the forth or fifth earls of anything. Only the actual title holders have a ranked number attached. Do I have this wrong? _________________ -Kalen w/a Isobel Carr Ripe for Pleasure, May 2011 Book 1: The League of Second Sons www.isobelcarr.com
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Candice
Queen of the Board Joined: 14 Sep 2006 Posts: 2731 Location: Minneapolis, MN	Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 11:37 am    Post subject:   KalenHughes wrote: LadyVictoria wrote: When the eldest son died, my hero became the fourth Earl of Huntsbridge. Period. What happens when his father dies? Does he then become Marquis Stanton, Earl of Huntsbridge, Viscount Westmont? And does his next younger brother then become the fifth Earl of Huntsbridge?? Now I have a question. I didn't think that courtesy titles carried a "number" title designation. As in, I don't think the heirs are the forth or fifth earls of anything. Only the actual title holders have a ranked number attached. Do I have this wrong? No, I think you have it right. I wasn't even thinking of the numbers, but I'm pretty sure you're right. I just checked my copy of Black's and it doesn't specifically mentioned the use of numbers, but since the earl's title (in Lady V's example) is granted as a courtesy and actually belongs to the duke, I think the duke remains the 4th (or whatever) Earl of Huntsbridge. When in doubt, though, simply leave off his number and you're okay. _________________
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KalenHughes
Viscountess of the Manor Joined: 20 Sep 2006 Posts: 1100	Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 1:26 pm    Post subject:   *phew* _________________ -Kalen w/a Isobel Carr Ripe for Pleasure, May 2011 Book 1: The League of Second Sons www.isobelcarr.com
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