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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 1:36 am    Post subject: Dominos
 
If a woman were walking around London late at night would she wear a Domino or would it just be called a hooded cape? Perhaps another term?

BTW, I know a proper woman wouldn't be moving about London late at night *wink*.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 7:16 am    Post subject:
 
A domino was a specific type of garment used as masques (it's a very full, hooded coat; like a cloak with sleeves). There's no reason she couldn't wear one, but it might draw more attention to her than a simple cloak.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 1:37 pm    Post subject:
 
Gotcha!! That's what I was thinking, but I wasn't certain.

Because I know they generally issue a domino with a mask, as people enter the party.

Thank you so much for the help on this!
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 2:38 pm    Post subject:
 
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Because I know they generally issue a domino with a mask, as people enter the party.


Huh? I've never heard of anyone "issuing" a domino or a mask when revelers arrive at a party. The domino is procured by the person wearing it, just as a costume would be. The whole point is that you arrive at a masquerade with your identity already hidden, which wouldn’t be the case if you only covered up after arriving.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 4:05 pm    Post subject:
 
I must have read that in a book somewhere. Matter fact, I know I read it in a book...romance novel...somewhere. I haven't researched it much so I wasn't exactly sure. Boy don't I look goofy now lol.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 4:07 pm    Post subject:
 
havenrich wrote:
I must have read that in a book somewhere. Matter fact, I know I read it in a book...romance novel...somewhere. I haven't researched it much so I wasn't exactly sure. Boy don't I look goofy now lol.


I swear I've read that in a book somewhere too.

It didn't make any sense, so it must have been a mistake by the author.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 9:42 pm    Post subject:
 
I've never heard of "issuing" a domino at a masquerade, either. Doesn't mean it never happened, but I haven't come across it in research.

A few years back I saw a Regency-era print of a woman in a domino, but I don't have a copy of it. I do remember that the garment was not unlike the old Venetian capes with masks that go back at least as far as the 17th century. The only images I have been able to find are all those paintings by Pietro Longhi in the mid-18th century. He seemed to love to show people in dominos. Here are a few images, the first two are details of larger paintings:





The Regency-era print I saw showed a longer cape, brightly colored, trimmed with ruffles and ribbons, with the mask attached to the hood, and no hat. The interesting thing about dominos is that, with the mask in place, they really were a great disguise since they covered the lower half of the face.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 10:55 pm    Post subject:
 
Oh wow, they are completely different from what I always thought they looked like!

Thank you so much Candice!

I still can't remember which book it was that it was in, but I do remember that the heroine had come in from a different point because she was sneaking in and had to go to the front to get a domino.

Oh well, makes no difference now! I know better now, thanks to you.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2007 5:37 pm    Post subject:
 
havenrich wrote:
I must have read that in a book somewhere. Matter fact, I know I read it in a book...romance novel...somewhere.


Sadly, you can't trust a novel to have the facts right. *sigh* Some authors just don't know. Some don't care. And some make very generous use of their literary license. And at a certain point you can't blame them. How much time can a person spend looking for an obscure fact? Not that I think this domino thing is all that obscure . . .

The images I've seen of dominoes in England and France are very different from the lacy caplets won in Venice (which I LOVE). The women's version tends to be 3/4 to full-length, to have sleeves and a hood, and close up the front with buttons or ties or frogs. The men's is usually a caplet like the ones in Venice, but it's of solid silk, not lace.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 5:52 am    Post subject:
 
Le Domino Noir--The Black Domino-- is an 1837 opera by French composer Daniel Francois Auber. Here's a summary, courtesy of Wikipedia, which may add to the confusion about what a domino looked like, though in the middle 1830s:

The action takes place in Spain and concerns a young novice nun, Angèle de Olivarès. Enjoying her last freedom before taking final vows, Angèle slips out of the convent along with her companion Brigitte to attend a ball in honour of the Queen of Spain's birthday. To conceal her identity, she wears a black half-mask (the "domino" of the title). A year previously, at the same ball, Angèle had met a young man, Horace de Masserena. Horace has fallen in love with her and returns to the ball in the hope of seeing her again. Instead he meets the unknown woman in the black mask and dances with her. Thinking to help Horace, his friend Count Juliano, sets the clock back an hour causing Angèle to miss leaving at midnight, which would have allowed her to get back to the convent in time before the gates close. Angèle runs off and tries to take shelter for the night in a house she finds on the way. Unfortunately, it turns out to belong to Count Juliano who is holding a late-night party for his friends. Angèle persuades the housekeeper to disguise her as her niece from the country. She manages to fool everyone except, of course, Horace who recognises her from the ball a year ago. He does not tell anyone else but locks Angèle in a room where he hopes to keep her until she gives him an explanation. But Angèle is inadvertently freed by the housekeeper's lover, the drunken Gil Perez, who opens the door and runs off, having mistaken her for a demon in her mask and cloak. Angèle manages to reach the convent and slip in undiscovered. However, that very morning a new abbess, Ursule, has been installed. Ursule is jealous of Angèle and orders her to leave the convent and find a husband. By coincidence, Horace turns up at the convent and joyfully takes the opportunity to ask Angèle to be his wife.


Andrei Bulgakov in one of his early 20th century Russian novels (St. Petersburg, I think) writes about somebody wearing a domino but doesn't describe the thing, which isn't surprising if dominos were common and everybody knew what they looked like! I've seen productions of Mozart's Don Giovanni that include characters in dominos similar to the ones in Candice's examples.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 11:54 am    Post subject:
 
Interesting discussion. I've been reading about dominos for years and never really knew how to picture them. Thanks for the images, Candice. I know they're from an earlier era, but it helps.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 1:30 pm    Post subject:
 
Atherley wrote:
Le Domino Noir--The Black Domino-- is an 1837 opera by French composer Daniel Francois Auber . . . To conceal her identity, she wears a black half-mask (the "domino" of the title).

Andrei Bulgakov in one of his early 20th century Russian novels (St. Petersburg, I think) writes about somebody wearing a domino but doesn't describe the thing.


It doesn't add to the confusion, it just highlights the transformation of the domino. Originally the domino was both a half-mask and a cloak-like covering of some kind (varying by country and era). Eventually the body covering went away and only the mask was worn (this is certainly the case by the Victorian period. And to this day we call those little half-masks "dominoes".

And I LOVE Bulgakov!!! The Vintage translation of The Master and Margarita is magnificent.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 3:35 pm    Post subject:
 
KalenHughes wrote:

It doesn't add to the confusion, it just highlights the transformation of the domino. Originally the domino was both a half-mask and a cloak-like covering of some kind (varying by country and era). Eventually the body covering went away and only the mask was worn (this is certainly the case by the Victorian period. And to this day we call those little half-masks "dominoes".

And I LOVE Bulgakov!!! The Vintage translation of The Master and Margarita is magnificent.


Laughing Ah, so that explains the variations! i am now soundly de-confused, thank you, Kalen! Except I've got a question: Why is it called a domino?

And about The Master and Margarita: Truly, that translation is amaaaaaazing!
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PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2007 8:44 am    Post subject:
 
Atherley wrote:
Why is it called a domino?


In Latin dominus means "lord/master". From what I’ve read, the cloak part of the "domino" was reminiscent of the cloak worn by an upper-class person, or a priest, so the name grew out of that (and was then exported from Italy with the fashion).
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KalenHughes wrote:
Atherley wrote:
Why is it called a domino?


In Latin dominus means "lord/master". From what I’ve read, the cloak part of the "domino" was reminiscent of the cloak worn by an upper-class person, or a priest, so the name grew out of that (and was then exported from Italy with the fashion).


How ahout that! Thank you! (Has anybody written a story to go along with the title The Domino Effect? Wink )
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